Interview of Christopher Gordon Ellis by Meda Okelo. Topics include: migration to EPA in 1977 via Detroit, the military and San Francisco; EPA community life in 1977; notable people including Mr. Charles Jones and local realtors; opening his real estate business; moving away and then returning to EPA; experiences as a realtor; effect of incorporation and crime on his business; his family; people he worked with; remembering Whiskey Gulch; Carlos Romero; his three daughters in the Tinsley Program; completion of the Dumbarton Bridge; demographic changes and effect on his business; white flight in EPA; why the streets in the Gardens neighborhood are named after flowers; vision for future of EPA; and other topics.